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towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Thu May 29, 2014 1:13 pm

I have just ordered a new 3850RL. I have a GMC 2500HD I hope it will be a big enough truck to handle it. I was pulling a 37 foot fifth wheel and I didn't even know it was there. The book say's it can pull a 17,800 fifth wheel. I know a dually would be better, just hoping I don't have to go to that.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby snoking » Thu May 29, 2014 1:32 pm

Pin weight is going to kill you! Fully loaded you will be looking at 3200 to 3400 pin weight.

Depending on the year of your truck, you have only 9200 GVWR, but the rear axle weight is another problem even if you look past the GVWR of the truck. Mike will be along to tell you why he upgraded to a dually! Chris
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Thu May 29, 2014 1:55 pm

mac's bird wrote:I have just ordered a new 3850RL. I have a GMC 2500HD I hope it will be a big enough truck to handle it. I was pulling a 37 foot fifth wheel and I didn't even know it was there. The book say's it can pull a 17,800 fifth wheel. I know a dually would be better, just hoping I don't have to go to that.

My GVWR is 10000 and rear axle is 6200. payload is 4212. all this is Greek to me.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby UT Cardinal » Thu May 29, 2014 3:48 pm

I have a 3030RS (which is smaller than your 3850) and towed with a 2010 Chevy 2500HD. I was always on the ragged edge of being over capacity & was generally over with the pin weight (rear axle). The pickup had plenty of power & the transmission was smooth. I travelled many miles over & through the Rockies with no problems; however, I always had an uneasy feeling knowing I was over weight. Being an engineer, this used to grind on me at night. I bit the bullet and upgraded to the one ton. I sleep a lot better now!

BTW - I loved my Chevy - this new Ford is really phenomenal. I just got back from a 3600 mile trip and was extremely pleased. (However, I do not like the 26 gal fuel tank.)
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Thu May 29, 2014 5:06 pm

[quote="I see what you are saying. I wonder why GMC would say you can pull up to 17,800. I would think they would be setting their self's up for a law suit.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby snoking » Thu May 29, 2014 5:10 pm

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8828&hilit=white+rabbit

Here is the truck Mike bought to tow a similar trailer. Chris
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Thu May 29, 2014 6:04 pm

snoking wrote:http://www.cardinalrvclub.org/redbird/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8828&hilit=white+rabbit

Here is the truck Mike bought to tow a similar trailer. Chris


I guess I don't have a choice but to give it a try.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby snoking » Thu May 29, 2014 6:35 pm

Well weigh the rear axle with the trailer with the trailer loaded and in tow. If over 6200 pounds you will be over loading the tires. Rickson 19.5" rims and tires are one way around that issue. You may need air bags also.

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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Thu May 29, 2014 7:02 pm

snoking wrote:Well weigh the rear axle with the trailer with the trailer loaded and in tow. If over 6200 pounds you will be over loading the tires. Rickson 19.5" rims and tires are one way around that issue. You may need air bags also.

Chris

thank's for your input.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby Mike Clay » Fri May 30, 2014 10:00 pm

Well I am sorry to tell you this but you will be over loaded on a 3/4 ton truck. My 1 ton single rear wheel truck was over loaded on the rear wheels not to mention how unstable it was. You are going to find that is a big heavy trailer. My pin is 3,600 lbs and the trailer is pushing 16,000 lbs.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mike & linda » Sat May 31, 2014 1:31 am

I have a f250 and I added air bags. It really made a difference for me.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby snoking » Sat May 31, 2014 4:15 am

mike & linda wrote:I have a f250 and I added air bags. It really made a difference for me.


Air bags will not help the OP if he is overloading his rear tires! A lot of the new Cardinals have the axle moved back which creates more pin weight. OP stated his RGAWR was 6200. If you subtract Mikes 3600 pin weight from that, then the truck would have to weigh less that 2600 on the rear axle ready to tow, which is not going to happen. A new Dodge SRW 3500 with a 7000 lb RGAWR would handle it, but I do not know the ratings of the Ford 350 SRW or the GM 3500 SRW. Any of the duallies will handle it fine.

The other issue is you have a truck that weighs 7400-8000 pounds. Add 3600 of pin weight and you will be between 11,000 and 11,600 on a truck with a 10,000 GVWR.

Like I said earlier, OP can bag it and install Rickson 19.5" rims and tires, which solves the most pressing issue of being over the tire ratings.

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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby Mike Clay » Sat May 31, 2014 5:25 am

My srw one ton would have been within specs but I also had a 50 gallon in bed transfer flow tank that added 500 lbs so over the tire max it went. I had more problems with the trailer feeling really top heavy while towing. I know after buying this trailer the last thing I wanted to do is buy a new truck.

The spec sheet Forest River shows on their site is wrong. These models come out of the factory all day at 13,300 lbs and more depending on options. The length is just a couple inches under 42 feet. The industry measures from the center of the pin to the rear cap not counting the ladder.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby mac's bird » Sat May 31, 2014 8:51 am

Mike Clay wrote:My srw one ton would have been within specs but I also had a 50 gallon in bed transfer flow tank that added 500 lbs so over the tire max it went. I had more problems with the trailer feeling really top heavy while towing. I know after buying this trailer the last thing I wanted to do is buy a new truck.

The spec sheet Forest River shows on their site is wrong. These models come out of the factory all day at 13,300 lbs and more depending on options. The length is just a couple inches under 42 feet. The industry measures from the center of the pin to the rear cap not counting the ladder.


I wonder if I added another leaf to my rear springs if that would be enough.
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Re: towing with a 2500HD

Postby snoking » Sat May 31, 2014 9:16 am

mac's bird wrote:
I wonder if I added another leaf to my rear springs if that would be enough.


What does that do for your tires? Which are the weakest link! What year is your truck? Chris
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